In this podcast recorded at Agile 2019, Shane Hastie, Lead Editor for Culture & Methods, spoke to Dave West, CEO of scrum.org about agile beyond software, the need for organisational alignment and how product ownership is a major inhibitor for many organisations because it is not done well.
Key Takeaways
- Agile ideas are taking root beyond software development, in business areas and in complex engineering environments
- The scope of agility is more than just delivering great product – it is delivering great product, getting great feedback, experimentation and learning
- The large consulting firms have the relationships at the most senior levels to enable top-down change in organisations
- Most software teams today are delivering relatively well, however there is misalignment between the delivery teams and the wider organisation’s ability to accept and release product to the market effectively
- Good product ownership is incredibly hard and most organisations do product ownership very badly
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Show Notes
- 00:34 Introductions
- 01:02 The move of agile ideas beyond software teams
- 01:15 The use of Scrum for marketing
- 01:36 How agile approaches are being used in complex engineering environments that go beyond software (SpaceX, Tesla, BMW, Toyota …)
- 02:04 The core is the importance of delivering value to customers
- 02:10 The scope of agility is more than just delivering great product – it is delivering great product, getting great feedback, experimentation and learning
- 02:25 The merger of ideas like Lean Startup and LeanUX with agile approaches
- 02:52 The large consulting firms such as McKinsey & Boston Consulting are now driving agile adoptions in larger enterprises via their access to the most senior executives
- 03:32 “New Ways of Working” as a label for agile adoption at scale
- 04:04 The need to focus on outcomes to help prevent agile-in-name-only transformations
- 04:10 Moving away from thinking about outcomes in terms of plan-budget-risk towards customer value
- 04:25 Until organisation make this change in focus, nothing else will fundamentally change
- 04:47 Referring to Calota Perez’s work on the ages of technological change and the changes needed to enable real transformation
- 05:18 The large consulting firms have the relationships at the most senior levels to enable top-down change in organisations
- 05:56 The world is full of complex problems; solving these problems needs effective teams, and scrum is the predominant way in which teams are organised to be effective today
- 06:28 Scrum.org continuing to build bridges into the wider community of ideas such as with Kanban and LeanUX
- 06:40 Bring out ideas around leadership and the relationship with Management 3.0
- 06:51 Trying to build a more consistent, systematic approach to solving complex problems
- 07:04 The growth in the scrum.org community
- 07:30 Scrum.org has been focused on helping organisations, teams and teams of teams solve complex problems
- 07:40 Changes coming to the scrum.org content and post-class support infrastructure
- 08:02 Building more community and the need to improve coaching
- 08:28 Summarizing research done with McKinsey into agile personalities
- 08:46 One of the most important characteristics for effective teamwork is agreeableness
- 08:57 “Yes, and” rather than “yes, but”
- 09:08 The way a good coach facilitates getting to “yes, and” behaviours in a group and how that contributes to delivering value
- 10:04 The historic gaps in the adoption of scrum approaches – Martin Fowler’s Flaccid Scrum
- 10:27 Most software teams today are delivering relatively well, however there is misalignment between the delivery teams and the wider organisation’s ability to accept and release product to the market effectively
- 10:46 Problems with the way in which we manage work
- 10:54 Align teams to outcomes and customers rather than to projects and silos
- 11:24 The gaps are around organisational alignment, funding approaches
- 11:59 The need to think differently about risk
- 12:14 The need for more professionalism in the agile community
- 12:18 The number of people who call themselves agile coaches with no background or training in the discipline of coaching
- 12:41 Professionalizing the industry is hard
- 12:50 Identifying “what makes a good ……” is difficult to define
- 13:14 The mess in the industry around the role of product ownership
- 13:31 Most organisations have an inability to empower people to make decisions
- 13:34 The skills of product ownership are really, really difficult
- 14:08 Product ownership is where the gaps all come together and it’s a hard job
- 14:48 The contentious relationship between the product community and the scrum community
- 15:06 The original title for the Product Owner role was Agile Product Manager
- 15:13 The rationale for the change to Product Owner and the need for empowerment in that role
- 15:48 Exploring aspects of product ownership and some of the disfunctions that can come about
- 16:36 Making the decisions about what’s in and what’s out in a product is hard
- 17:14 Drawing on the very tangible practices from LeanUX to help the product owner and the team make better decisions about priorities
- 17:47 Reasons why having Personas on the Team Wall is a good practice
- 18:35 Personas give us a clear view of purpose – why are we building this product for who?
- 19:01 A story of clear purpose at a pharmaceutical event
- 19:48 The value of metrics that make sense for product ownership
- 20:15 Product ownership is the place where organisational disfunctions manifest themselves
- 21:10 Advice for technical leaders –
- Alignment and clarity around what the teams should be focused on – a clear vision that defines success in terms of outcomes and goals
- Stop having all the answers and start asking questions – talk to understand, don’t talk to win
- 22:05 Solving complex problems needs super-smart people working together and it’s hard
- 22:34 We can fix all the big complex problems in the world, if we get amazing groups of people to work together
- 22:58 Build an organisation around you that is ultimately kind
- 23:11 Ask your team every day “who have you helped?”
Mentioned:
- Agile 2019
- Scrum.org
- Lean Startup
- LeanUX
- Carlota Perez – Ages of Technological Change
- Management 3.0
- Cynefin
- McKinsey
- Boston Consulting Group
- The Agile Personality (research results)
- Martin Fowler – Flaccid Scrum
- #NoProjects
- SAFe
- Mind the Product
- Personas on the Team Wall
- Dan Pink – Motivators
- Dave on email and Twitter